Sporks-R-Us:  Bastard Hybrid Utensil of D00M!
Front Page · Everything · News · Op/Ed · Ask A Spork · Interviews · Religion · Reviews · MLP · AK5CG · Strange · Cats · Nonsense · Fiction · Dead at 54 · The Pits of Hell · Meta · Vlad's Store · Diaries · Site News
The Passion of Christ

Gladiator
By xxxxxxxxxx
from the Mel Gibsons controversial telling of the last 12 hours of Christ department, Section Religion
Posted on Wed Feb 25, 2004 at 04:56:17 PM GMT
I am not real sure what the whole upset over this movie is about, because to me, it is just the telling of what is the reality of the experience of the man called Jesus.

dividing image



I have read and heard countless critic on this movie.  It has ranged from it being a very moving experience to a 'morbid, violent, bloody, movie that will leave people empty and sick'.  There are differeing opinions from the clergy as well.  Some believe it will be a great thing to show people the suffereing of Christ.  Others think it takes away from the spiritual.

My thought is, you cannot really have one without the other.

If what the Bible says is true, then the man suffered greatly. This was no easy death.  He took 33 lashes with a whip, that is something that leaves one torn to shreds.  Not only that, but he was beaten, had a crown of thorns put on his head and he was tortured for nearly 12 hours.  This is no lovely little tale of a man hanging on a cross by ropes and a big white light beaming over his head......with beautiful music behind it and a chorus of Angels.  No, this is more realistic.  This man suffered, to the point of it being the most cruel death you can imagine.

The Romans crucified the people right side up, so that they suffered longer and that is what happened in this story.  It isn't supposed to be pretty, it is supposed to get the message across that this man did what he did, suffered what he did, so that he could save the world from sin.

To me, seeing someone suffer that much, would or should make it that much more spiritual, and effective that this was not some lovely little martyr easy death.  It was horrible.

The part about Gibson being anti-semitic, well, I really don't see that.  He has even said he is not and being a Catholic and a Christian, I believe he means what he says.  Generally they don't go about bashing Jews.

Truth is, the Jews did hand Jesus over to the Romans to die.  They were given a choice and they chose Barrabas to live and go free and for Jesus to be crucified.  They were afraid and they were a people who had been enslaved and overrun for centuries. It was not something they thought about I don't think as being unfair or cruel.  It was what they had to do to survive under Roman rule.  

If you think about the Holocaust and the fear that the Jews had then, well, it was just as bad during Jesus' time on earth.  Fear and survival will make people make poor decisions sometimes.

To have it portrayed with the realistic view is the only way I can see it being done.  I have seen many films of the crucifixion.  They are artsy, pretty, the actors look almost pristine in the white and in the sun.  Jesus always looks pretty healthy hanging from that cross.  Not at all a realistic portrayal.

What I find the most interesting is that in a society that embraces Quenton Tarantino and Vin Diesel, will get highly upset over this 'Passion of Christ' for its violent and blood shed.  Lets just take a minute and look at the message.......'He shed his blood for us so that we could live and have eternal life'.  Whether you are religious or not, this sentence sums up what he felt he was dying for.   How pristine and
sterile can you really make that?

I want you to understand that I am not saying that you should or should not believe in Jesus Christ.  That is your personal decision.  What I am saying is that if you do or don't, the story itself, to be true to it, would have to be violent, bloody and cruel and sad.  There is no way around it.  Death is never pretty.

Would I suggest people see it, Yes I would.  Why?  Because I think if you want the true impact of what this man went through, you need to see it.

I would love to hear your thoughts on this!

< What constitutes good porn? | FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >
Menu
· create account · faq · search · mission · topics

Login
Make a new account
Username:
Password:

Related Links
· free
· More on Gladiator
· Also by xxxxxxxxxx

Display: Sort:
The Passion of Christ | 20 comments (20 topical, 0 hidden)
I would have given anything to be Katie Couric.. (5.00 / 3) (#9)
by Beef on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 02:16:06 PM GMT

when she was interviewing Billy Graham's son about the movie.  I would have liked to ask the question:

"So, what do you think about the fact the Mel Gibson thinks you're going to Hell."

Not that I have anything against Mel, or the movie... just that it was ironic that an Evangelical Protestant was raving on about a movie produced by a hardline, pre-VaII-ish Catholic.

--
Be conservative in what you do. Be liberal in what you accept from others.



ahahahahhahahahahhaaaaa! (5.00 / 2) (#10)
by xxxxxxxxxx on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 03:08:16 PM GMT

That is really funny.

You know what galls me the most about organized religion, all of them, not just Catholics or Baptists or what have you, but all of them.......
they all think they are the "ONE" and all the rest will burn in Hell!

Well, guess what folks, I guess I am definetely going to burn in hell, I don't subscribe to any organized religion.......but I bet have a lot of company from each of those so called "ONE"'s.  I doubt very seriously I will be lonely.

Forgive that if you happen to be a part of a organized religion, I am just disenchanted with most of them, personal experience, and that isn't to say that I don't respect those who do follow, I do.  I just think that if you are going to look at it from a standpoint of true belief, then what is wrong with the way John the Baptist did it.........
out in the desert or by a river, telling the listeners the message and baptizing them in the river and everyone being equal.  

I am just a skeptical and stubborn old coot who wishes people would realize that we all come from dust and will end up that again, so what is the big deal what religion you are?

[ Parent ]



I find your ideas interesting and I'd like (none / 0) (#13)
by Bold Marauder on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 06:01:07 PM GMT

to subscribe to your religion

--
.-=Welcome to the Vaginal Grid=-.
[ Parent ]


You would have liked the early church (5.00 / 2) (#11)
by Beef on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 03:27:44 PM GMT

The first-century Christian church would look almost Communistic to us.  Everyone WAS equal.  People were recognized as having different "gifts," but no one gift was considered any better than any other (read I Cor. 12).

It wasn't until later on that some folks got the idea that they could exploit the faith to their advantage, and become wealthy/powerful.

This has always been recognized by Christians, and it's why throughout the history of Christianity, time and time again, there are attemps to do away with all of the baggage and return to the first century church.  The most notable of these attempts are the Protestant and Cathoic Reformations ("counter-reformation" is an inaccurate term that I prefer to stay away from).  But there are lots of others.

--
Be conservative in what you do. Be liberal in what you accept from others.
[ Parent ]



Oh, and another thing (5.00 / 2) (#3)
by Marco on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 06:58:44 AM GMT

The movie portrais the romans in a very bad way! Aren't they going to complain?

- Marco


AUDETE! AUDETE! (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by Beef on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 12:17:27 PM GMT

ROMANVS SVM EGO.  FILMVS SVPER JESO CHRISTO GIBSONI ME OFFENDI.  GIBSONVS DELENDRA EST!!!!!!

[ Parent ]


I thought . . . (none / 0) (#14)
by vegetablespork on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 06:52:19 PM GMT

. . . that the movie was very charitable to Pilate. BTW, that's "DELENDA" (just a typo, I know--not nearly so egregious as my having substituted the ablative for the dative before)

[ Parent ]


Romanes eunt domus! (5.00 / 3) (#16)
by Beef on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 08:42:41 PM GMT

Centurion: What is this then? Romanes eunt domus, "People called Romanes they go the house"?
Brian: It-it says, "Romans, go home"!
Centurion: No, it doesn't! What's Latin for "Roman"? [grabs Brian's ear] Come on, come on!
Brian: Romanus!
Centurion: Goes like?
Brian: Annus!
Centurion: Vocative plural of annus  is...?
Brian: Anni?
Centurion: [writes] Romani.  And eunt? What is eunt?
Brian: "Go"! Let-
Centurion: Conjugate the verb "to go".
Brian: Ire; eo, is, it, imus, itis, eunt!
Centurion: So eunt is...?
Brian: Third person plural, present indicative. "They go!"
Centurion: But "Romans, go home" is an order, so you must use the...?
Brian: The... imperative!
Centurion: Which is...?
Brian: I!
Centurion: [twisting Brian's ear] How many Romans?
Brian: [yelling] I.. Plural, plural! Ite, ite!
Centurion: [writing] Ite. Domus?  Nominative? But "go home", it is motion towards, isn't it, boy?
Brian: Dative, sir!
 [The centurion promptly draws his swords and presses it against Brian's throat. Brian yells:]
 No, not dative! Not the dative, sir! No! The... accusative, accusative! Domum, sir, ad domum!
Centurion: Except that domus  takes the...?
Brian: The locative, sir!
Centurion: Which is?
Brian: Domum!
Centurion: [writing] Domum... -um [sheathing his sword] Understand?
 [Brian nods eagerly]
 Now, write it out a hundred times!
Brian: Yes, sir, thank you, sir! Hail Caesar!
Centurion: Hail Caesar. If it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off!
Brian: Oh, thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar and everything, sir!

--
Be conservative in what you do. Be liberal in what you accept from others.
[ Parent ]



I suck at latin, but (5.00 / 1) (#15)
by Beef on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 08:20:28 PM GMT

"about Jesus Christ" should be ablative.  "Super" isn't the correct preposition, I'm sure, but in Spanish (which I know much much better), it would be "sobre".  So, consider it a munnged hispano-latin.

(also, it's "Audite" (audio, audire, auivi, auditum))

Did I ever mention that I was interested in learning Ladino?  Being Jewish, and knowing Spanish, I find its existence in modern times fascinating.

--
Be conservative in what you do. Be liberal in what you accept from others.
[ Parent ]



You're Jewish, so.... (none / 0) (#18)
by Marco on Sat Feb 28, 2004 at 01:42:25 PM GMT

אתה יודע עברית?


- Marco
[ Parent ]


kinda... (none / 0) (#19)
by NerdGirl on Tue Mar 02, 2004 at 03:47:03 PM GMT

... but just by descent, not by religion.

Who's dead now?
[ Parent ]


Ablative vs. accusative (none / 0) (#17)
by vegetablespork on Sat Feb 28, 2004 at 05:24:49 AM GMT

I don't have an understanding of actual classical usage yet, but one of super's dictionary meanings is "concerning" and it does indeed take the ablative with that meaning. (Interestingly, when it means "about," it is said to take the accusative.

It looks like you have a pretty good command of Latin already--it's better than mine after a semester and a half!

P.S.: I love that scene from Life of Brian!

[ Parent ]



I have one semester of Latin (none / 0) (#20)
by Beef on Tue Mar 02, 2004 at 09:09:27 PM GMT

plus three years of Spanish, which is like really munged arabified neo-Latin.  At one point in Latin 101, my teacher said, "I want you to go home and write out 100 times, 'Latin is not Spanish!'"

This same teacher, when I asked her for a translation of "He who smelt it, dealt it," came up with:

FECIT REM QVI OLFECIT.

I hope she's a full professor by now. :-)

--
Be conservative in what you do. Be liberal in what you accept from others.
[ Parent ]



Romans have been getting the shaft (none / 0) (#7)
by Bold Marauder on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 09:27:35 AM GMT

ever since "a funny thing happened on the way to the forum"...

--
.-=Welcome to the Vaginal Grid=-.
[ Parent ]


hahahahaha (5.00 / 2) (#5)
by xxxxxxxxxx on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 09:05:10 AM GMT

they are used to it by now........see 'Gladiator' or watch 'The Sopranos'.  They kinda like it this way I think.

[ Parent ]


Sounds like a sucky movie (5.00 / 2) (#2)
by Marco on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 06:45:22 AM GMT

I'll never see it! Prince of Egypt is much better!
(nah. It wasn't good either, except of the animation)

- Marco


R U on crack? (none / 0) (#12)
by Beef on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 06:00:05 PM GMT

Price of Egypt began the DreamWorks human-characters-with-no-foreheads genre that has since infected Disney. Note to animators: look at real human beings. When they raise their eyebrows, they do not extend above their hairline.

Or did DreamWorks mistakenly think that we were still Homo erectus in Moses' day?

--
Be conservative in what you do. Be liberal in what you accept from others.
[ Parent ]



yes, it sucked (Prince of Egypt) that is (none / 0) (#6)
by xxxxxxxxxx on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 09:06:39 AM GMT

I have to say that I don't enjoy much animation anymore.  However, I still watch 'Tom and Jerry' cartoons.  Wonder what that says about my mental stability?

[ Parent ]


As someone who is of german descent (5.00 / 3) (#1)
by Bold Marauder on Wed Feb 25, 2004 at 05:07:05 PM GMT

I thought that Schindlers' List was highly innflammatory towards germans, capitalists and other first posters.

Seriously, I don't see how history can rightfully be called prejudicial. I think it's pretty bunk, all things being equal.

--
.-=Welcome to the Vaginal Grid=-.



exactly (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by xxxxxxxxxx on Thu Feb 26, 2004 at 09:02:15 AM GMT

history can't be called prejudicial because it is an account of what went on, not a opinion but the facts.

It annoys me that any culture gets upset over what happened when they know that it is well documented and is true.  You cannot go back and change the past, it is over and done and all you have are the memories.

All cultures have their so called 'skeletons in the closet'.  Americans have it with the Native Americans, 'Trail of Tears' is a good example.  Doesn't mean you and I are guilty of that treatment of those people,(African Americans would do well to remember this too as most of the people they have wanted retribution from never had any slaves in their families and if they did, they don't now!) but it is a history of our country, and its something we cannot do anything about but accept and hope we learn from our mistakes.  

I think in all honesty, it is best to be truthful and bold and admit the atrocities and then try to make a better future where those things do not happen again.  That takes work and a lot of diplomacy and swallowing pride.

[ Parent ]



The Passion of Christ | 20 comments (20 topical, 0 hidden)
Display: Sort:

SRU - Embrace the Spork! SourceForge Logo Powered by Scoop
Inspiration
Celebrate Hannibal Day this year. Take an elephant to lunch.

Please buy the stuff we sell on ebay.
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective companies. Comments are owned by the Poster. The Rest © 2003-2006 The Management

create account | faq | search