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PILOT ERROR?

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By Reza
from the Now I've Heard It All department, Section Complete and Total Nonsense
Posted on Tue Oct 26, 2004 at 06:50:35 PM GMT
Pilot Error Blamed for Flight 587 Crash?

"American Airlines Flight 587 lost its tail and plummeted into a New York City neighborhood in November 2001, killing 265 people, because the co-pilot improperly used the rudder to try to steady the plane, federal safety investigators ruled Tuesday."

Who's smokin' the crack??

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Ok, basic flight aerodynamics says that to control pitch, you move the elevator; to control roll, you use the ailerons; and to control yaw, you move the rudder. The accusation is that the co-pilot over-controlled the rudder in attempts to correct for roll.
--A. See above- rudder doesn't control roll.
--B. Even if he did mash back and forth on the rudder pedals, what should have happened was a bunch of people getting sick, NOT the tail falling off.

Now American Airlines has supposedly been teaching thier pilots that the RUDDER controls ROLL?
Maybe they have too many marketing 'droids running the company and not enough technical minded people, but something is wrong with that picture!

"Airbus claimed the airline failed to properly train its pilots to fly the jet, while American accused Airbus of failing to disclose problems with the rudder system."

If the Airbus aircraft is that finecky on the control inputs, it shouldn't be used for passenger service. Passenger aircraft should be dynamically STABLE and shouldn't need to be flown with kid gloves (and shoes, for that matter!) Maybe the copilot was improperly trained (even though when faced with the exact same situation no other pilot made that same decision...debunking the training myth...) but I don't care how hard he stomps on the rudder pedals, the tail should NOT fall off! Ummmm, can we say DESIGN FLAW?
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PILOT ERROR? | 12 comments (12 topical, 0 hidden)
My conclusion: (none / 0) (#12)
by PowerSpork 5000 on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 12:27:19 PM GMT

The doomed plane's staff was smoking crack at the time of the accident.  Thank you.

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i'm drunk (none / 0) (#9)
by Beef on Wed Oct 27, 2004 at 09:07:20 PM GMT

so i just gave everyone 5s.

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Oddly (5.00 / 2) (#10)
by l33t j03 on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 04:39:16 AM GMT

Just yesterday I was drunk on an Airbus. I think it was an A310 and not, as this article leads me to believe, a rudder-induced-crash prone A300, as evidenced by the fact that I am able to post today and rather having an NTSB investigator piece together my charred bits based on DNA results.

Not really drunk but I'd had a few.

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To Melissa's Crew (2.50 / 2) (#6)
by Too Slow You Fags on Wed Oct 27, 2004 at 01:23:21 PM GMT

To Melissa's crew: God help you, for the Princess was all that remained of the humanity of Melissa. You will crave the human comfort of a Bin Laden or Hitler compared to what you are about to do...



no ingles, pendejo (3.75 / 4) (#11)
by News For Turds on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 05:51:37 AM GMT

quien es "melissa"

la puta madre que te badio!

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_ (5.00 / 1) (#5)
by NerdGirl on Wed Oct 27, 2004 at 01:18:50 PM GMT

Seriously here, it sounds like both Airbus and the copilot were seriously messed up.  

The copilot shouldn't have been trying to use the rudder.  Sounds like you're more qualified to fly the plane that he was.  (Of course, for all I know, you're a pilot...)

Airbus shouldn't have designed a plane where using the rudder causes the tail to fall off.  If this wasn't possible, they should have designed the plane without a rudder.  Or at least informed the airline, so they could place bricks under the rudder pedals...

Who's dead now?



ROTFL (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by Vladinator on Wed Oct 27, 2004 at 01:46:40 PM GMT

She is - and, commercial, not private. :-)

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Oh.......... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by xxxxxxxxxx on Wed Oct 27, 2004 at 08:09:01 AM GMT

it is always so easy to blame the dead for something.  The pilot cannot refute the allegations being made because he is dead and gone, so why not make him the scapegoat!

Look, Airlines have taken a beating lately, losing money, paying out more to meet homeland security measures, some have gone bankrupt, others are heading in that direction.  We are going to see some major changes soon I think and it will come to the point we get low airfairs, and people who work for airlines will be paid less and will have to follow stricter standards.

This could be a good thing....after all, the major airlines are always charging you a damn mint to fly and then they have problems with the planes and the pilots????  Something is not kosher there and I think it has to do with money.

If I can drive it, I do, just because I like being on the ground! Flying is ok and its quicker but I always sit there and wonder if I am going to make it to my destination in one piece!! At least in driving...I am on the ground!



Who better to blame THAN the dead? (5.00 / 2) (#8)
by Bold Marauder on Wed Oct 27, 2004 at 02:30:42 PM GMT

After all, they brought us tie-dyes, hippies and granola-ice-cream; who KNOWS what other horrors they'll bring forth.

When in doubt, Bob Weir(d) did it.

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Had Airbus panicked, and designed a better plane (none / 0) (#3)
by Beef on Wed Oct 27, 2004 at 06:06:02 AM GMT

the terrorists would have already won.

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fast post (5.00 / 1) (#1)
by handybundler on Tue Oct 26, 2004 at 07:33:20 PM GMT

ludicrous speed, we've gone plaid, etc.





Light speed too SLOW? (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by News For Turds on Wed Oct 27, 2004 at 05:39:35 AM GMT


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