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goatse.cx - down for the count?

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By Bold Marauder
from the truly a trolling icon department, Section News
Posted on Thu Jan 15, 2004 at 11:21:10 AM GMT
It would appear that famed troll site goatse.cx has, after five years, been "suspended" by the administration of the cx tld.

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No other information is available at this time, but it appears that it involves some sort of AUP violation.

Goatse.cx hosted an obscene image and was made famous by slashdot trolls tricking people into clicking links to it and links which re-directed to it. This led to several changed in slashcode over the years, and more than a few memes.

Though it's grossness has been surpassed by tubgirl, lemonparty and kuro5hin.org, only kuro5hin has managed to surpass it in terms of reknown and notoriety. This leaves us with two question:

  1. Is this really the end of goatse.cx? Or merely a prank being played by its' hosts?
  2. if it really is the end of goatse.cx, is kuro5hin next?
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goatse.cx - down for the count? | 14 comments (14 topical, 0 hidden)
How long do you think it'll take to remove this? (none / 0) (#13)
by Marco on Sun Feb 01, 2004 at 04:39:56 AM GMT

goat.cx

- Marco


no real beat, hard to dance to... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by Bold Marauder on Sun Feb 01, 2004 at 11:03:26 AM GMT

I don't think that one's going to catch on...

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A Letter From .cx (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by BringBackATV on Wed Jan 21, 2004 at 01:27:12 PM GMT

...received in my mailbox today. It's almost certainly going out to practically everyone who enquired but as noone else seems to have posted it here it is.

And yes, they really did write (or probably mailmerge generate) "Dear BringBackATV".

Dear BringBackATV,

Since many net citizens have complained about the suspension of goates.cx I offer the following perspective.... The .CX ccTLD represents Christmas Island and is the on-line representation of that community on the Internet. Individuals or organizations from outside that community are invited to register in portions of that name space but should be aware are (to quote from out publicly posted polices) that...

"the policies for the .CX country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD) are set by the Board of Christmas Island Internet Administration Limited (CIIA) and are designed to reflect the legal systems, values, and ethnic diversity of the community of the Territory of Christmas Island. They are an attempt to balance the historical principals of fairness and access to the DNS with the concerns of registrants and Internet users regarding privacy, lawful activity and protection of intellectual property and other third party rights."

"CIIA cannot, and does not, monitor, screen or otherwise review a Domain application to verify the Registrant's legal rights to use a particular word or term in its Domain prior to registration. CIIA does not get involved with disputes over rights to particular domains. CIIA may however suspend or revoke a domain if the use of a .CX Domain is unlawful or infringes on the rights of a third party. By way of example CIIA policy does not attempt to screen or restrict the registration or use of a .CX domain, however registrants should be aware that if the use of a .CX domain name clearly infringes on the rights of a third party as defined in the CIIA AUP, or is any way unlawful then that domain name may be subject to suspension or revocation. "

Technically speaking CIIA is both a community owned non profit ISP and the Trustee for the CX ccTLD on behalf of the Christmas Island community. Although Christmas Island is an external Territory of AU, CIIA is an Australian company functions largely under the legislative framework of the Commonwealth of Australia.

Although many ccTLD registries might attempt to argue that they are not in any way a part of the network that delivers/publishes Internet content, this view (in CIIAs opinion) is best summed up as a "commercial convenience" and abdication of responsibility to act as a Trustee for the community represented by the name space. As the Internet has matured there can be no doubt that it is increasingly being used as a tool for illegal activity. The argument that individual Internet users (wherever they may be) should be required to contact ISP's in Belarus, the US, Rwanda etc... to report unlawful activity or content places an unfair burden of on individuals who may not have the time resources or skills to bring an action or outcome. The widespread use of broadband and technologies such as dynamic DNS make most much of this sort of prohibited traffic a moving target - and action based solely on convincing the ìhosting providerî to remove content generally ineffective.

There can be no doubt that a ccTLD registry is a key choke point for enforcing policy and that it has enormous theoretical power to ensure polices and use comply with the desires and values of the community represented by that name space. This "power "is also viewed by CIIA as a responsibility, although it would be inappropriate and irresponsible for a trustee of a name space to make arbitrary / capricious decisions or to follow a "personal ideological agenda" this is not the case in the CX TLD. In reviewing complains CIIA assesses them against the criteria established not by ourselves but to legislation and policy set by government and the relevant community.

In the case of CIIA when reviewing a complaint we look to the ABA (Australian Broadcasting Authority - http://www.aba.gov.au ) for guidance on what is prohibited Internet content under the laws applicable to Christmas Island. Although a complex legislative framework "the law defines Internet content as stored information which is accessed over an Internet carriage service, including material on the World Wide Web, postings on newsgroups and bulletin boards, and other files that can be downloaded from an archive or library".

Although some may debate it, the registry is a key, (although passive) element in the delivery of Internet content. To argue otherwise is not (IMO) sensible, a registry can suspend a domain - effectively blocking access (if you ignore hacking to contaminate ISP's cache servers as has been the case in the suspension of goatse.cx) so clearly they are a key in the part of the delivery of that content, - if they were not then suspending would have no effect.

At CIIA we do not monitor but we are compelled (under applicable legislation and the corporate policy which defines the stewardship of the CX ccTLD) to receive and process complaints, and if it can reasonably considered to be "prohibited content" as defined by the legislation we, under the AU self regulatory scheme remove or restrict access if we are able to so. This is the framework CIIA operates in, and quite frankly we are quite happy to do so. We have no problem restricting access to child porn bestiality etc... CIIA considers it a responsibility to do so when it is brought to our attention.

To assert that a registry is simply a carriage provider and to shift the burden of restricting access (where the content is prohibited by legislation) onto others is a quite simply ìcop-outî. CIIA generally takes great steps to protect the privacy of registrants - which aside from controlling the harvesting of data serves to encourage freedom to advocate "this and that". From a policy perspective since CIIA limits the access to detailed ìwho-isî information refusing to take action on formal complaints ourselves it would be highly irresponsible and an abdication of our responsibilities as a trustee for the CX name space.

CIIA will not investigate a complaint about something a person disagrees with or simply does not like, if it is not otherwise legally defined as prohibited content or unlawful activity . We agree such complaints should be directed to the authors of the content.

In the case of goatse.cx the site was suspended ( primarily) because the author chose to "hard code" (as opposed to a link posted to an un moderated forum) a link to a bestiality site which provided a FAQ on how to have sex with dolphins. CIIA takes the view that hard coding of links is functionally the same as providing a navigation button to that content. This is ìprohibited Internet contentî as defined by the Australian Broadcasting Authority (ABA http://www.aba.gov.au) and we have no qualms about suspending the name to restrict access.

It is generally the case with private networks that any network administrator is fully within their rights to block access from their users to any site that they feel is objectionable. CIIA have a slightly higher to operate transparently bar but the concept remains the same. The network of CIIA should not be used for illegal activity and the terms of use should be consistent with the values and legislation in effect in that of that community.

Because one ìcanî do something does not mean they have a ìrightî to do it, and they certainly do not have a "free speech" right to use the CIIA network to publish anything they want on the net (child porn, unlawful distribution of software etc) or to use the network engage in, or promote unlawful activity. This is our view as custodians for the CX TLD on behalf of the Christmas Island community and it is supported by the members of that community who have endorsed CIIA to manage the name space.

Whether one falls into the DNS is a public resource or the DNS is part of a private network school of thought, the outcome in terms of policy is the same. There is little debate that the DNS should be considered (by the custodians of a TLD name space) as a global resource. To argue, as many have, that the DNS is a public resource and that CIIA has not authority to manage it, or set rules for itís use nonsensical. To say that a national park is a public resource and therefore anybody can do anything they want in that space is incorrect. As a public resource there are allowed / permissible uses as well as and uses which are not permissible. Even a public resource is managed in accordance with the desires of the relevent community.

If one adopts the opposing view - that the DNS is a private resource existing on a private network, then the administrator of that name space has a right to set the terms of use over the resource records he controls, with the understanding that the name space is a hierarchy and polices are understood to apply recursively.

The CX ccTLD is a sub-set of the global name space and is managed as accordance with the laws and desires of Christmas Island community. The CX ccTLD is not a gTLD and has not wholly adopted ICANN ìUDRPî, ìwho-isî . CIIA has developed localized polices which reflect the culture and values and legal systems of the Christmas Island community.

At the end of the day, if as has been asserted in numerous emails, the goatse.cx web site was an Internet icon which represented the theory that net citizens had rights and freedoms which they may not have in society generally, then the suspension of goatse.cx represent the natural evolution of society, cyber or otherwise !=an abuse of rights and freedoms (outside of purpose for which society has mutually agreed to provide those rights and freedoms) can generally be expected to be met with attempts to place reasonable limits on those rights and freedoms.

These limits in the CX ccTLD name space reflect the values customs and legal systems of the Christmas Island. The polices for registration in the CX ccTLD name space provide substantial protections for of registrants in the CX ccTLD name space, but those right are not without limits. At the end of the day if one is not comfortable with the limits set for the CX name space they may register and publish thier content elsewhere, as some will.

Cheers

Garth Miller

CIIA Policy Panel

(the person who made the determination to suspend - based not one one but on numerous complaints)


-- No thanks, I would not like sugar with my cornflakes


What I don't get is... (none / 0) (#10)
by Beef on Thu Jan 22, 2004 at 08:01:23 AM GMT

WTF do Australian Internet regulations have to do with a domain name in Christmas Island's TLD?

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Christmas Island is a colony of Australia (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by BringBackATV on Thu Jan 22, 2004 at 10:26:51 AM GMT

As explained here.


-- No thanks, I would not like sugar with my cornflakes
[ Parent ]


Clarification on ABA rules (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by Beef on Thu Jan 22, 2004 at 07:59:23 AM GMT

the site was suspended ( primarily) because the author chose to "hard code" (as opposed to a link posted to an un moderated forum) a link to a bestiality site which provided a FAQ on how to have sex with dolphins. [...] This is "prohibited Internet content" as defined by the Australian Broadcasting Authority

This is, as far as I can tell, correct and accurate (although it looks to me like they were just looking for some (any) excuse to pull the domain name).

(From the ABA website)

What is prohibited Internet content?
The co-regulatory scheme covers content on World Wide Web sites, Usenet newsgroups and other types of stored information that can be accessed over the Internet. Ordinary email, chat and other content that is accessed in real time (for example, some types of streamed audiovisual content) are not covered by the scheme.

Under the Act, the following categories of Internet content are prohibited:

Any Internet content that is classified RC or X by the Classification Board (PDF file - 65k). This includes real depictions of actual sexual activity, child pornography, depictions of bestiality and material containing excessive violence or sexual violence. Content hosted in Australia which is classified R (PDF file - 65k) and not subject to a restricted access system. This includes depictions of simulated sexual activity, material containing strong, realistic violence and other material dealing with intense adult themes. Further information about the types of content covered by the scheme is in our complaints section. Internet content that has not been classified but which, if classified, would be prohibited content is regarded as potential prohibited content and is dealt with in a similar to prohibited content.

Unless the content is in one of the above categories, the ABA cannot take action over Internet content that you simply don't like or do not agree with. In such cases, you should raise your concerns directly with the operators of the site in question.

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[ Parent ]



Apart from which... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by BringBackATV on Thu Jan 22, 2004 at 10:31:19 AM GMT

...if it was the dolphinsex link that was the problem, why didn't they just ask the godfather of goatse to remove it - it's not as tho' it's an integral part of the site.

Unless, come to think of it, it was so they couldn't be accused of homophobia for deleting gh3y pr0n :-)


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From the comments of slashdot: (5.00 / 1) (#5)
by Bold Marauder on Thu Jan 15, 2004 at 07:56:05 PM GMT

apparently, there's a document of their complaint? Here's a link to their pdf if anyoen wants to muck with acrobat or xpf (or whatever) to read it. I don't:
http://www.nic.cx/complaints/goatse.cx/goatse.cx11.01.2004.pdf

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Thank goodness for Wikipedia. (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by Beef on Thu Jan 15, 2004 at 05:38:03 PM GMT

Bakla.net
Bakla.net has six images. The first three images are of a woman in a white dress against a black background. The next two images are of a transgendered woman wearing a black T-shirt and blue jeans. The final image is of the woman naked, sitting on a bed, revealing her penis and breasts. Note that "Bakla" is a tagalog (Filipino) derogatory term for homosexual, basically equivalent to "queer" in English. The person shown on the page is from the Philippines.

Bakla.net is hosted on Yahoo! servers, which are located in Sunnyvale, California

Lemonparty.org
Lemonparty.org contains a picture of a triumvirate of elderly men, one of whom is performing oral sex and another kissing the fellatee. The site was defunct for a number of years, but has recently been restored. Originally it also featured a link (labeled "Click here to wash your eyeballs") to a picture of a kitten.

So how exactly is lemonparty different from kuro5hin??

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The men of lemonparty have genitals (5.00 / 4) (#4)
by Bold Marauder on Thu Jan 15, 2004 at 06:02:54 PM GMT

whereas k5 is chock-full of dickless wonders. HTH.

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Seems like a prank (none / 0) (#1)
by Marco on Thu Jan 15, 2004 at 03:52:08 PM GMT

There's a link there to the original page.
It's like a man saying "look on me. I'm dead!"

- Marco


While it could be the *usual* prank: (5.00 / 1) (#3)
by Bold Marauder on Thu Jan 15, 2004 at 06:00:55 PM GMT

The text on the page is different. (assuming you can get it to load:
 Christmas Island Internet Administration Limited* (CIIA) is a community owned non-profit  Christmas Island  company.

The domain: "GOATSE.CX" has been suspended by the registry.

Generally this is due to a lapsed registration or violation of policies.

AUP Complaints

Check "Who-is" information

If by "there's a link to the original page" you're referring to the hick.org link, that's a link to a mirror, not the original (as far as I know, unless goatse was a mirror of hick.org ;))

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Oh well (none / 0) (#7)
by Marco on Mon Jan 19, 2004 at 04:31:58 AM GMT

When I visited it, the page did have a link to the original "eh" page (under goatse.cx). Now goatse doesn't resolve..

- Marco
[ Parent ]


Mirror (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by News For Turds on Thu Jan 15, 2004 at 10:37:18 PM GMT

goatse.cx was basically a mirror to hick.org/goat  It was a nice alternative to getting people to clicky.

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